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of obama's additional debt by higher levels of growth, not raising taxes. so there's a lot of money to be gotten from growth. how they do this, we have to see it written down, but because the obama administration and spokesmen have been so emphatic about all taxes and no spending restraint, all taxes and actually spend -- another stimulus, another solyndra stimulus program -- >> i don't think they've mentioned solyndra, grover, but i'm sure they appreciate your mentioning of it. >> they didn't? the whole idea of additional spending rather than spending restrictions -- they could save money by not continuing world war ii as well. so the obama administration is so far out there, that what the republicans are doing is pointing out how reasonable they are, taking bowles' idea, i see he's playing democrat partisan today -- >> part of that is actually putting revenue on the table which speaker boehner has said multiple times he's open to doing, that includes closing loopholes and ending deductions. not words that are political kryptoni kryptonite. for the republican party that has stoked
reforms republicans should let mr. obama own the debt crisis he has done so much to create. conservative commentator bill crystal says they're making a dangerous gamble. >> republicans are at risk in my view now of looking like they're defending, keeping the current tax rates for the wealthy. end of the day president obama is selling a simple message, i want to keep taxes low for middle-class americans and republicans look like -- i'm worried are in the position offiof ing -- looking as fe the don't care about middle class. >> joining us is the sage of capitol hill, boat shoe enthusiast and celebrity doppelganger, nbc's luke russert. >> good day. happy monday. >> thank you, luke. it's an exciting time on capitol hill my friend. i want to focus first on the gop. is the party coming together, coalescing around something, anything, relating to the fiscal cliff? >> well, i think they're coalescing around anything it's for speaker boehner to continue the negotiations and not give a single inch. the gop has done very well over the last few years is in the negotiations with president obama. the
of a permanent increase in the national debt limit. president obama remarkably consistent in his intent to raise taxes on the top 2% of taxpayers. half of those are small-business men and women. the entire election season, he did say a number of times since being reelected, and he's not backing off. e president and his baath insist on higher taxes for the so-called wealthy. remarkably, republicans seem surprised by secrery geithner. chief correspondent ed henry with our repor reporter: optimism faded as timothy geithner let the republicans to decle the talks are going nowhere. >> i'm disappointed. i'm disappnted in where we are and what has happened over the last couple of weeks. i'm hehere trying to seriously resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get it as well. reporter: a key driver is that the president announced that spending cuts can wait. >> it would give us more time the next year to work together on a comprehensive plan to bring down the deficit. jay carney broke new ground by declaring that the president does on spending cuts within the budget plan to be included in the f
. president obama's first offer fiscal cliff, higher taxes, new spending and power over the debt spending. and offered by tim geithner who had tax problems in the past and today president obama is it at a toy factory campaigning for new taxes on the rich. and joining us is julia. >> hi. stuart: how are you. >> i'm great. stuart: i can't believe that you, as a regular american, want to do this to america, do you? >> i think it's because-- i don't think that this is exactly what what's going to happen. stuart: you don't think that the president will actually do this. >> no, no, i think the president has learned to negotiate. what the president would do, he would start with sort of half a loaf and negotiate and give the republicans about 75% of what they wanted. i think he's finally understood if you want to actually get to at least halfway, you have to start at extremes and meet halfway. republicans have done this all along. stuart: you agree with me, if this plan, anything like it from the president, were imposed on the economy at this time it would lead to recession. >> i think that the p
are out of work. 46 million are on food stamps. we're $16 trillion in debt. >> it is really clear from what we've seen so far. >> you agree with barber. have president obama's policies helped you? let's really help the middle class. vote against barber and obama. >> jennifer: okay. so this was a campaign ad and the campaign ad was financed by this saudi-led oil lobby group. how can a saudi-led foreign entity fund a campaign commercial in america? >> well, the citizens united decision in 2010 opened significant loopholes for these tiepts of problems -- these types of problems. essentially, everyone talks about super pacs. most of them -- most super pacs are funded by individuals. but citizens united also enabled trade associations which historically have been fund and led by foreigners on to act as a campaign committee. the only difference is that trade associations don't have to disclose during the election. so a lot of foreign -- >> jennifer: so it is even worse than what you would find from a corporation giving
by folding the debt ceiling into fiscal cliff talks. take a listen. >> obama: congress, in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year i will not play that game. >> jennifer: fortunately for us "newsweek" "daily beast" special correspondent michael tomasky is always up for playing political games himself. he's joining us from washington d.c. thanks for coming back inside "the war room." >> it is always my pleasure, governor. >> jennifer: always a pleasure to have you. so let me talk about this debt ceiling issue. because really, as we look at it really the only leverage that republicans have on the fiscal cliff talks they proceed to be with the debt limit right? so today the treasury department ups the ante by endorsing republican senator mitch mcconnell's summer 2011 provision which you know, he suggested and it effectively lets t
the showdown over raising our debt ceiling when republicans wanted spending cuts and obama wanted to raise taxes. which led to a budget crisis that congress solved by not solving it. (laughter) instead, they handed it over to something called "the supercongress" which couldn't fail because it was super. (laughter) unfortunately it was also congress so it failed. (laughter) and as a result -- (applause) as a result -- (applause) as a result, folks, we are facing another thing called sequestration which at first sounds like rationing the amount you can watch "sea quest." (laughter) but it's even worse than that. (laughter) sequestration is automatic spending cuts that both sides agree would trigger a new recession. it's like congress put a gun to the economy's head and swore it will pull the triger if congress doesn't put its own gun down. (laughter) it's kind of like a mexican standoff without any mexicans. (laughter) of course, obama's answer to this budget crisis is to raise taxes on the wealthy just because he ran on that promise. and won the election. (laughter) it's like he's totally d
dangerous accounting deadline. the debt ceiling. and yes this is deja vu all over again. but i have a solution for president obama this time around. mr. president, turn the tables on him speaker boehner that is. we all recall the trap that the white house fell into last year, letting negotiations over the potential government shutdown be concluded only to be held hostage again when the republicans then refused to raise the debt ceiling without getting additional concessions. it was, as congressman welch said it was professional malpractice not to wrap the debt ceiling into the first round of negotiations. so don't do it again. the debt ceiling will necessarily and inevitably be hit and breached early next year. yet when president obama told speaker boehner at their november 16th meeting to raise the ceiling by year's end boehner said there is a price for everything. no, there doesn't have to be. sometimes what is necessary and good policy should just be done. the ceiling will be breached because of the fiscal track we're on and agreeing to the expenditures and revenues that are now
-800-medicare. >>> a republican party relaunch. obama is bad for the economy message didn't work and it's not likely to resonate going forward. home prices climbing, household debt down, consumer confidence up, jobs are coming back. breaking from that grover norquist anti-tax pledge is only going to take the gop so far if they can even deal with it. so can republicans find an economic message that resonates with voters? to find out, i spoke with stephen moore from the "wall street journal". >> looking forward, not backward, the republican dangers, there may be an accelerating economy. you can't simply say obama is bad. you have to have an affirmative message. it has to be economically inclusive. that means i think ruling away from the myth of the heroic entrepreneur as the main hero and also the main victim of the american economy and understand that the people who have been leading big companies are actually doing pretty well. the harm is to the middle. >> stephen, talk to me about this. the fact is we do think the entrepreneur as heroic in the u.s. how do you square that circle? >> i
it out in public. >> but he wants to raise the debt ceiling. >> that is part of the leverage that republicans have -- >> the best leverage if they have. >> obama thinks he has all the cards, he thinks he is napoleon, or perhaps lbj after his landslide. obama won this election by three points. 95% of republicans in the house won by a larger margin. he has a mandate, they have a mandate, and they have offered to raise revenues, which is to raise taxes. what obama is after is one mark indicates -- he wants to make a political point that republicans are the party of the millionaires. if you look at it as it will attempt to fix our issues, if you do it the taxes he wants, racing on the top 2%, it brings in 8 cents on the dollar, and what it means is that the deficit will go from $1.10 trillion to $1.02 trillion. that is his solution to our fiscal problem. . >> i will point out numbers, arithmetic. the republicans lost the house race, lost the majority of americans voting and a house. they lost two seats in the senate. mitt romney got 47% of the popular vote. that, ladies and gentl
as sanguine as you are with obama care and the tax rates going up and also the big burden of the debt. but you know, republicans have to have a growth message. and i just don't think they articulated any kind of alte alternative. david is right. all they talked about was obama's policies aren't working. but if you ask americans today what are republicans for, they don't have a solution. education, by the way, is a good one. i think republicans should be talking about choice. charter schools, vouchers, anything that give minorities more opportunities. >> david? >> look, i'm in favor of the republicans being a low tax party. here's the danger. when republicans say taxes, they mean income taxes. 80% of americans now pay more in payroll taxes than they pay in income taxes. payroll taxes will go up at the end of the year. the payroll tax holiday will end. that's a big tax increase for everybody. 80% of americans pay more. and where is the republican plan to hold the line on those people's taxes? if taxes only mean the tax, the income tax portion of tax burden for four-fitz four fifths of the countr
and obama. last time it happened was the 2011 debt ceiling negotiations and that didn't really turn out so well. >> why would that be their aim? >> they want to make this about the president and boehner. and they think they can get a better deal that way. the pro who white house strategy is to have this happen at the staff level and the president float above it and go out and make his case to the country. as he did later in 2011 on the extension of the payroll tax holiday. they really feel that the more they have, the president sort of down on boehner's level, the worse things are going to go. >> anna marie, i want to get your take on something that democratic senator claire mccaskill said on "meet the press," about the choice that republicans face. take a listen. >> they're going to get stuck with a raising of the rates of the top 2%. either in a very painful way. or in a way that we can all suffer a little bit. address all three legs of the stool. entitlements, cuts, and revenues, in a way that makes sense, and does make the very wealthy go back to a tax rate, by the way, in the '90s, wh
obama. i came away from those meetings feeling that these guys really were serious about the debt. they were serious about reducing the deficit and the need to get on with it and had some sense of urgency. they were serious about raising revenue from higher income tax payers, and that includes raising rates, with some flexibility there. they were serious about reducing spending and i would say to you wall, you have written a lot about the tax side of the equation. we need to read more about the spending side of the equation. they are equally important if we are going to get a balanced plan. they're serious about reducing spending -- that would include reducing spending on health care entitlements. they're serious about protecting a class -- you can really feel the president's passion on that. they were serious about restoring confidence in the short and long term so our economy can grow and create jobs. i think the president has always been for a balanced approach come as alan and i have. our message to the president and the congress from day one has been the same -- that is the p
the advice. connell: just make these debt talks into a home reality show. get out, you are fired. we will talk to neil cavuto about that. and the idea of putting president obama and john boehner on tv together and televising the debt talks. lori: microsoft's efforts is all coming down to the price tag. we will show you some interest rates as we head to break. 164 on the ten year. ♪ [ male announcer ] this is amy. amy likes to invest in the market. she also likes to ride her bike. she knows the potential for mang or losing money can pop up anytime. that's why she trades with the leader in mobile trading. so she's always ready to take action, no matter how wily... or weird... or wonderfully the market's behaving... which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritre. >> i have your fox business brief. manufacturing activity unexpectedly contracted last month falling to its lowest level in three years. it fell to 49.5. larger than expected drop. on the flip side, you as builders boosted their construction spending in october by their largest about sids may. it rose ne
hand you have president obama's proposal, which most agree is the responsible way of raising the debt, raising rates. and responsible cuts on entitlements and discretionary spending versus republicans who are divided against something that is a chicken hawk when it comes to the deficits, that is the boehner approach, or the more extremist position which is absolutely nothing.ç so this is an extraordinary position for the republican party to have evolved into. >> you must respond to what julian just said. >> i like julian an awful lot but i think what he said is entirely wrong. it's fascinating president obama last july, july of 2011, said we can get $1.2 trillion in revenue where we don't have to raise marginal tax rates and close loopholes and julian says most economists agree, in fact, this won't add to the deficit. look, you're only talking about $89 billion a year of the tax dollars of top two drapes. julian and i will agree, however, this deal is not serious. you need to have a lot more on the table for entitlements and -- >> let me correct him on a couple of factual matters. w
for everybody. in the current news center. >> good morning, everybody! president obama is meeting with business leaders again today to talk about the consequences of going over the fiscal cliff. he's also claiming to call on congressional leaders to make sure we raise the debt ceiling without contention. the white house making the case that extending the bush tax cuts for the middle class is directly connected to the health of our businesses. companies need to know consumers will be able to spend and in his first post-election interview president obama again rejected the house republican counteroffer that is on the table. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> let's hope he sticks to it. >> g.o.p. leaders aren't only dealing with the president and congressional democrats they're dealing with a split within their own ranks. more conservative republicans don't want part
in the drawdown from the war efforts in afghanistan and iraq, and then a number of spending proposals that obama put on the table in august of '11. consider that against what republicans are doing, and this shows that republicans are really chicken hawks when it comes to reducing the debt. they have a plan on tax reduction which most economists think would do far more harm than the obama plan would. secondly, they fail to specify what kind of cuts they want. remember, this is the party that's campaigned for two election cycles now on cutting government spinding, but when you ask them to identify exactly what you want to cut, you get mishmash from them. you get $100 billion in medicare savings by increasing the retirement age from 65 to 67. you get some unspecified savings from reducing social security. the only specifics if you add them up are about $300 billion or $400 billion in specific cuts, the rest are inspecific. this is the party whose fundamental premise is to cut government spending. you ask them to identify how they want to do it, and they start speaking in gibberish. it shows you thi
to raise the debt ceiling. billy cunningham, we're coming up against -- >> sean, what's wrong with the fiscal cliff that obama designed? this is obama's fiscal cliff. if the republicans cave, we'll have a fiscal cliff in about three or four years that's going to be the grand canyon. we're going to go collapsing. it's going to be awful. >> sean: i agree with you. >> we got to fight like william wallace in "brave heart." fight for america. we can win it in the next 30 days. >> sean: i'm with you. leslie, seriously, why can't we have some significant spending cuts now? the president, first of all, said he only wanted $800 billion when he was running, now he's doubled it, but there's no cuts. government can't find waste, fraud, abuse, cut back on their intoxication and power grab with spending? >> i agree that medicare is one program that has a lot of fraud. quite frankly the president has been very clear that they're going to be -- >> sean: when? when? >> democrats and republicans will have to suck it up. when you guys call caving in, i call compromise. >> sean: republicans compr
that entity, blame, blame, blame. if i look at the first administration of president barack obama, there was a lot of inherentiiting of debt. i'm not saying i agree or disagree. there's many that believe blaming someone else is just a way to shirk leadership. i'll tell you what. here's the problem with the blame game. when blame becomes an issue, it takes the empathy out. it takes the civility out and it green lights sustaining dysfunctional patterns. i'll give you an example. once you start blaming for example, let's take grover norquist. he's good target. once you start blaming grover norquist for a pledge made to get elected by representatives, you are totally doing a bait and switch. all of a sudden the issue of entitlementsbowles. why? they will look straight in the camera and say the gorilla in the room, entitlements. but when the blame game happens and you basically do bait and switch, you create a red herring. in this case, the red herring, and it is red, are tax issues. or taxing the rich even though the real issue you're avoiding, the big one, are the entitlements and th
, the consequences of the fiscal cliff are real. from a politicaler speck tiff, president obama is holding all the cards here. if he does nothing, the push area tax cuts expire, raising revenue. spending cuts will bring down the debt and possibly help secure social security and medicare. apparently, the president this is that he is making an offer republicans can't refuse. joining me at table is msnbc contributor, joy reid. cnbc contributor, dan dicker and laura flanders, the host and founder of grittv.org. thanks to all of you for being here. >>> is this, in fact, a new president obama. is the kind of negotiating tactics we are seeing now something that wasn't happening in the first term? >> i want to see that seventh head. i'm really looking forward to that. i love this whole don core leone thing. i know this was one of those things. apparently, they got in touch with a dog food factory. i will put that one aside. >> i don't think anything the administration is doing this time is going to get them on that case. i do think this represent pigs after the last election in the first term, there w
debt limit talks early next year. yesterday at a business round table of ceos president obama took a hard line warning his opponents not to consider this strategy. >> if congress in any way suggests they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last ye year, i will not play that game. >> i wonder. the president is saying, steve, that, you know what? we can raise rates now and maybe lower them later, next year, so republicans are now saying we'll raise rates now. maybe we'll lower them later and talk about it during debt ceiling. now he is saying no we're not going to talk about it then either. when would we have this debate, when we are renaming post offices in july? i mean -- >> clarify something for people that are watching. republicans are talking about raising taxes on the rich. john boehner said that yesterday. we're just not talking about raising the top marginal rate. right? >> right. >> both sides are now talking about
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. even when he did them they weren't meant to go forever. >> obama: if congress in any way suggests that they are going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling defaults, and take us to the brink of once again, as part of budget negotiations which by the way we have never done it in our history until we did it last year, i am not going to play that game. we have to break that habit before it starts. >> in other words homey don't play that. >> stephanie: exactly. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: i'm incredibly relieved to see rationality spreading throughout the republican party. he believes they are signalling interest in backing down on tax cuts for the wealthy. that's what representative welch said earlier on the show. he said they are going to cave. it's just a question of when. the president and boner talking about the fiscal cliff. >> they are talking on the phone. >> stephanie: no he drunk dialed him again. at all hours. >> as long as i'm there, it is open. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: president obama and the boner spoke by p
president obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree. as would be president mitt romney tells it, i will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno. >> oh, come on. really? >> stephanie: how did that go for you, mittens? government -- so here's the graph. government spend -- would you like the fun facts? >> government spending under obama including his stimulus bill is rising at 1.4% annualized pace slower than at any time in four years. >> how outrageous. >> stephanie: look. >> that's very visual. >> stephanie: everybody look. >> see the chart? >> those poor radio people. >> stephanie: as compared to reagan 8.7%. reagan '86-'89. bush two the second term i'm talking about 8.1%. 1.4% is where obama is. >> spending, spend spend! >> outrageous! >> i won't spend that. boehner is flabbergasted. i'm really flabbergasted! >> stephanie: did you see mitch mcconnell said he burst out laughing at the president's proposal. somebody sent me a picture of a galapagos turtle. >> i
as a result of the debt crisis a couple of years ago. >> stephanie: that's right. >> caller: this is where obama snookered the republican party. >> stephanie: yeah. >> they agreed to this. >> stephanie: we said that at the time and we still got downgraded because of the republicans, but you are absolutely right. >> caller: yes and grover norquist on sunday on david marshmallow's show, said that obama was going to take us over the fiscal cliff. >> stephanie: yes, and it is because of republicans. you know what the funny names for republicans, just leave that to us. [ bell chimes ] [ applause ] >> stephanie: david marshmallow. yeah. hi, bob. >> caller: good morning. i just wanted to call about the bob costas thing and just say i started shooting when i was ten year's old, and i still believe there is a place for regulation in gun control. >> stephanie: uh-huh. >> caller: and i think the people that shout the loudest don't speak for even the majority of gun owners and i think there is this trained pavlovian dog whistle, and there's no room for discussion. >> stephanie: y
of the budget negotiations, but it is kind of the spirit of the thing. president obama's opening bid to the republicans goes like this. first democrats get a trillion dollars in tax revenue by letting the high-income bush tax expire. that hatch matches the spending cuts in the 2011 debt ceiling deal. a trillion for a trillion. then democrats and republicans get 6 billion worth of stuff they want. democrats get 6 billion from tax reform and republicans get 600 billion in spending cuts of which 350 billion comes from medicare and other health problems and 250 billion comes from elsewhere. then we draw down wars in iraq and afghanistan, shaving another trillion off of the deficit. that gets us to around 4 trillion in deficit over the next ten years. we are almost at 5 trillion in deficit reduction. as they sign the game shows, that's not all. the white house is also asking for about 200 billion in stimulus. according to the weekly standard, when senate minority leader mitch mcconnell saw the proposal, he quote, burst into laughter. he literally lol 'd. >> i've been very guarded in what
the president but this is really over the board when he said congress should keep president obama on a short leash-- >> stephanie: he did not really? >> caller: he did. if he's good we should allow the debt ceiling be raised weekly. if he's bad we should make him wait molly. >> stephanie: you have to google that to mama. really? keep the president on a short leash, wow. let's--whew, that winded me, jim. cindy in michigan. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi stephanie. >> caller: cindy. >> caller: this point of view only works if you completely forget the crash of '08. the middle class and those at the bottom already took our haircut that was taken by those at the top with no increase for 15 years in the minimum wage. no reform going into that recession in the late 2007-2008 and then private and public pensions and 401ks dropped half their worth in one quarter before obama even got into office. so you know, we've had our property taxes increased our state fees increased and that's mostly to make up for the lost revenue of those mortgages that crashed. >> stephanie: yep. >> caller: when
the debt, now that we have virtually 3% gdp growth, we want do it in a way that's least damaging to the economy. almost all of them agree the obama approach is the right approach. increasing the rates on the wealthy will have no impact on job creation or gdp growth. >> professor dyson, we found out today that the austerity budgets used in the eurozone have sent employment to record highs. unemployment in spain is at 25%. unemployment in greece, 25%. how is it possible speaker boehner comes out and promotes paul ryan's budget for 2011 and 2012 as somehow the answer to our fiscal problems? >> i mean, this is the indication that i'm afraid that they're stuck in the mud attitude and their ostrich-like oblivion to what's going on in the real world will lead to disastrous consequences. i hope my good friend julian epstein is right crunching those numbers. the cbo, the cds, they're going to cbs even to check out the apoth carries to find out what they're prognosticating. these people are insensitive to the critical claims of the electorate and the voter out here, the population out here
should, one -- first of all, we have to pay down the debt he ran up. we're spending $1 trillion more each year, the federal government -- we, the federal government is spending $1 trillion more each year than when obama walked into office. it's that overspending we need to bring down. raising taxes doesn't solve the overspending problem. it feeds it. and, again, we have been through this lucy and the football thing in '82, in '90. we didn't take the advice of the tax increase last year, and we got spending restraint for the debt ceiling. remember, the republican house has a tremendous power over the debt ceiling. so all this stuff about how we have to bend to the emperor's will isn't true. >> all right. grover norquist, thanks very much. we appreciate yourtation the time tonight. let's bring in james carville and rihan salaam. good to see you. grover norquist is not bending. not yet. >> well, president obama, or as mr. norquist refers to him, obama -- president obama has done something mr. norquist has never done in his life and that's get people to vote for him. so i would also remind mr
the case is today. president obama extended them for two years. i wish he hadn't but he did. why? because it was the price he paid for getting the debt ceiling increase and for extending unemployment benefits for millions of americans. well now everything has changed. now we can -- we simply can no longer afford welfare for the rich. it is handing millionaires and billionaires a great big fat like $150,000 check a year. we can't afford it. we don't have the money. peter, as you pointed out, this is the number one issue in the election. the president made it clear at every appearance. if you want tax cuts, if you want the wealthiest of americans to pay a little more in taxes their fair share vote for me. if you want to give them a free ride, vote for romney. it's over. this issue has been decided. john boehner total total joke. i think the president -- i mean should just reject this thing out of hand and say we would rather have -- okay, here's my vote. do you agree? 1-866-55-press. my vote is no deal. no deal
unchallenged. the truth is our national debt began to skyrocket under george bush with medicare part d fiasco. year under year under george w. bush, deficit came in at $500 billion. it is finally year of 2007-2008 president obama inherited the mess of trillion dollar annual deficits but none of this has been caused by medicare or medicaid. >> obviously entitlements. those lazy 47 percenters. >> stephanie: maria and david gregory should know better. >> yeah, they do. they're both major news anchors of major news networks. >> they're paying them lots of money to say lies. >> stephanie: the real culprits are the lack of revenue caused by the tax cuts. oh, he sent a helpful pie chart as well. >> we love pie charts. >> we love pie. >> stephanie: i love pie charts and graphs. the military security -- >> pie charts ala mode. >> stephanie: responsible for more than half the remaining spending or the $1.3 trillion. if david gregory would correct guests american public would know what the main drivers are. >> who would be i
the footage of durbin and boehner, i thought it was footage from the debt ceiling argument. >> but isn't the better alternative which is to see all the tax cuts he e s expire? >> how will he pass the massive obama tax cut without the house? >> i'm assuming they'd want to have a big tax cut, right? >> no. >> they would sit on their hands post-january 1st and say nothing? >> do you think republicans are so stupid in the house they don't see that move coming and say, you know what? you go ahead and you try to pass your tax cut through harry reid's senate, and we'll pass our tax cut through the house. and good luck. >> so they would just rather have everyone's tax -- i'm shock that that would be the end result. >> harry reid would rather have it his way or nobody's way? >> no, i'm saying you can negotiate in these flex three weeks about this package of tax cuts. >> i don't mean this to be directed towards you -- >> but here it comes. >> -- no, i'm just saying generally, there is such an arrogance in the media since the president won. they think that these house republicans are -- >> have n
for solving the debt? >> my son in first grade came hollen and announced that president obama had won his class election unanimously. [laughter] that he was a democrat. [laughter] he told me that with grape jelly covering his face. i said, it is ok to be a democrat but you must not eat like one. [laughter] [no audio] [applause] [applause] but look, for republicans, one of the things that was curious about the election with mitt romney -- as someone who is outside of washington, pool had no ownership of any of the congressional republican dysfunction from the delayed congress at all over the last 10 years -- his hands were absolutely pure on spending. he had the ability, i think, to rebuke those republican -- the republican spending profligacy and democratic spending profligacy. he was only credible in offering a criticism of spending under the administration if he was able to burst -- first talk about republican spending in the area, that we were going in a new direction. i think that a -- i think the republicans confused the word oversight and regulation. sometimes we need regulation. so
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